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	<title>In a Dark Time ... The Eye Begins to See &#187; William Carlos Williams</title>
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		<title>So Much Depends Upon&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whitman&#8217;s use of the term &#8220;dumb ministers&#8221; in &#8220;Crossing Brooklyn Ferry&#8221; to describe objects that contribute to our soul, and Jonathan Delacour&#8217;s ongoing discussion of &#8220;objective description&#8221; and &#8220;subjective description&#8221; somehow reminded me of William Carlos Williams&#8217; &#8220;The Red Wheelbarrow,&#8221; a poem students often found &#8220;dumb,&#8221; though not in the sense Whitman used it.
					&#8220;The Red [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitman&#8217;s use of the term &#8220;dumb ministers&#8221; in &#8220;Crossing Brooklyn Ferry&#8221; to describe <i>objects</i> that contribute to our soul, and <a href="http://weblog.delacour.net/index.html">Jonathan Delacour&#8217;s</a> ongoing discussion of &#8220;objective description&#8221; and &#8220;subjective description&#8221; somehow reminded me of William Carlos Williams&#8217; &#8220;The Red Wheelbarrow,&#8221; a poem students often found &#8220;dumb,&#8221; though not in the sense Whitman used it.</p>
					<p class="quote">&#8220;The Red Wheelbarrow&#8221;<br />
						<br />
						so much depends<br />
						upon<br />
						<br />
						a red wheel<br />
						barrow<br />
						<br />
						glazed with rain<br />
						water<br />
						<br />
						beside the white<br />
						chickens<br />
					</p>
					<p>In discussing his poetry Willliams said, &#8220;Emotion clusters about common things, the pathetic often stimulates the imagination to new patterns&#8212;but the job of the poet is to use language effectively, his own language, the only language to him which is authentic. In my own work it has always sufficed that the object of my attention be presented without further comment.&#8221; Later, he stated, &#8220;No ideas but in things.&#8221;<br />
						<br />
						Judging from many a student&#8217;s reaction to &#8220;The Red Wheelbarrow,&#8221; though, it&#8217;s not clear that pure description does &#8220;suffice.&#8221; Students were most likely to react in dumb silence or outrage when presented with the poem. Simply put, they didn&#8217;t get it, and often felt that there was &#8220;nothing to get,&#8221; much like the outrage expressed by many when confronted with modern paintings with titles like &#8220;White on White.&#8221;<br />
						<br />
						One wonders now that it has become stylish to include an old wheelbarrow as a planter in a garden whether some students would react differently to the poem, and whether Asian students, having been raised in a very different poetic tradition, might have a different reaction to it.<br />
						<br />
						In other words, do objects have meaning in themselves or do they only have meaning within a cultural context?<br />
						<br />
						Was T.S. Eliot correct when he argued that: &#8220;The only way of expressing emotion in the form of art is by finding an &quot;objective correlative&quot;; in other words, a set of objects, a situation, a chain of events which shall be the formula of that particular emotion?&#8221; (See the<a href="http://www.empirezine.com/deadpoets/thomas-sterns-eliot.htm"> Dead Poet&#8217;s Circle </a>for further discussion of objective correlative.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>The Girl Can&#8217;t Help It</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though not particularly one of my favorite poems, &#8220;The Girl,&#8221; and the title says it all, is one of those poems that seems to stay with you over the years. Though I hadn&#8217;t read it in probably 20 to 25 years, I remembered it almost instantaneously once I started reading it.
						
						Wonder why that is?
						
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though not particularly one of my favorite poems, &#8220;The Girl,&#8221; and the title says it all, is one of those poems that seems to stay with you over the years. Though I hadn&#8217;t read it in probably 20 to 25 years, I remembered it almost instantaneously once I started reading it.<br />
						<br />
						Wonder why that is?<br />
						<br />
						This poem, unlike &#8220;The Poor&#8221; contain no commentary from the poet, thus beautifully fitting Williams&#8217; idea that there is &#8220;No ideas but in things.&#8221;<br />
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					<p class="quote"><font size="2" face="Lucida Handwriting">The Girl<br />
						</font><br />
						with big breasts<br />
						under a blue sweater<br />
						<br />
						bareheaded-<br />
						crossing the street<br />
						<br />
						reading a newspaper<br />
						stops, turns<br />
						<br />
						and looks down<br />
						as though<br />
						<br />
						she had seen a dime<br />
						on the pavement<br />
					</p>
					<p>So, why is it that this poem works perfectly well without any commentary from the poet? Has Williams found the ultimate &#8220;objective correlative?&#8221;<br />
						<br />
						Is its appeal to human nature, at least male human nature, so basic, so universal, that it needs nothing more? Or, have past societal trends, like Holllywood &#8220;sweater girl&#8221; promotions been so widespread and pervasive that we have been &#8220;conditioned&#8221; to react exactly the way the author wanted us to?<br />
						<br />
						Would a primitive native who lived in a society where women didn&#8217;t cover their breasts react the same way to this poem that someone from the West would react?<br />
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					<p><i><font size="4" color="#a0522d" face="Lucida Handwriting">:: The Object and Nothing but the Object :: </font></i></p>
					<p>&#8220;The Poor&#8221; is one of my favorite William Carlos Williams poems. In many ways it fits Williams&#8217; idea of &#8220;No ideas but in things.&#8221; It contains a number of vivid, concrete images that certainly convey emotions to the responsive reader.<br />
						<br />
						In order to make a point, though, I&#8217;ve taken the liberty of removing the first line and a half from the poem. Read the poem without this line, then insert the line that has been removed and reread the poem to see whether you believe it changes the poem or not:<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">THE POOR<br />
						___ ___ ______ __ _______<br />
						_______ __ , the old<br />
						yellow wooden house indented<br />
						among the new brick tenements<br />
						<br />
						Or a cast iron balcony<br />
						with panels showing oak branches<br />
						in full leaf. It fits<br />
						the dress of the children<br />
						<br />
						reflecting every stage and<br />
						custom of necessity-<br />
						Chimneys, roofs, fences of<br />
						Wood and metal in an unfenced<br />
						<br />
						age and enclosing next to<br />
						nothing at all: the old man<br />
						<br />
						in a sweater and soft black<br />
						hat who sweeps the sidewalk-<br />
						<br />
						his own ten feet of it-<br />
						in a wind that fitfully<br />
						<br />
						turning his corner has<br />
						overwhelmed the entire city<br />
					</p>
					<p>Personally, the image of the old man sweeping his sidewalk in a city overwhelmed by dirt is a favorite image that has stayed with me for many years, one I remembered without even trying to memorize it.<br />
						<br />
						&quot;Why would that be?&quot; you might ask. Perhaps because I was a caseworker for awhile and observed many futile attempts by clients to overcome the problems they faced, while society ignored more serious problems that were sure to overwhelm them relatively quickly. Obviously I bring experiences to this poem that most people would not bring.<br />
						<br />
						What would you say is the &#8220;tone&#8221; of this poem? Is it melancholy? Is it full of despair? Is there a sense of delight? How are all of these images tied together?<br />
						<br />
						What happens to the poem when you put the opening lines <font color="#a0522d">&#8220;It&#8217;s the anarchy of poverty/delights me&#8221; into the poem? </font>Do these lines change your perception of the poem itself?<br />
						<br />
						For me, at least, this sentence serves as the &#8220;thesis&#8221; statement of the poem, changing the tone of the poem considerably. The word &#8220;anarchy&#8221; provides a different structure to the poem than I would have imposed on it. &#8220;Delights&#8221; is, for me, though, quite unexpected, changing the whole meaning of the poem. I doubt that &#8220;delights&#8221; is a way I would have ever described this kind of poverty.<br />
						<br />
						And though I&#8217;m still not entirely convinced that poverty can ever really be a &#8220;delight,&#8221; it makes me look back at the images in a new way.<br />
						<br />
						It seems to me, though, that Williams does not merely present the object &#8220;without further comment;&#8221; in fact, his comment alters not only the way we see this poem but, quite possibly, the way we see poverty.<br />
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					<p><i><font size="4" color="#a0522d" face="Lucida Handwriting">:: MT and ME :: </font></i></p>
					<p>Okay, I have to admit it, I&#8217;ve been thinking about switching from Adobe GoLive to MT. Unfortunately, I know a lot less about coding than <a href="http://weblog.delacour.net/index.html">Jonathon</a> gives me credit for. I hand code very little. I&#8217;m a layout, print, person, not a computer person. Because I was into Photoshop I naturally gravitated toward GoLive, and that&#8217;s about as far as I have gotten.</p>
					<p>The real hold up is that I don&#8217;t think ATT broadband will work with MT since it doesn&#8217;t work with Blogger. When they lost Excite, ATT would no longer allow outside access to their websites. You have to use ATT Broadband to connect. I&#8217;ve sent an inquiry to tech support to see if there is any chance MT will will work with their servers and am anxiously (STILL) awaiting their response.</p>
					<p>Nor can I host my own site using an old computer because that is against the contract I&#8217;ve signed with ATT Broadband.</p>
					<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that<a href="http://www.vfth.com/"> Alwin Hawkins</a>, who also has ATT broadband, hosts his site on another host. I&#8217;m supposing that there is a good reason.</p>
					<p>I&#8217;m not sure I want to pay more than the $40+ a month I&#8217;m already paying to play this game, though I am watching comments on Jonathon&#8217;s site to see what it might cost for a new host.</p>
					<p>(Oh, by the way, how do you set the width of your page so that it is variable? I thought I had solved that problem earlier.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>William Carlos Willams&#8217; The Collected Later Poems</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2003 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
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Following a recent discussion of Pound&#8217;s winning of the Bollingen prize, I read that two of the judges had nominated William Carlos Williams instead. Although I haven&#8217;t read Williams for awhile, I remembered some poems fondly, poems I&#8217;d previously referred to in this blog. Pursuing this line of thought, I discovered the following comments at [...]]]></description>
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<p>Following a recent discussion of Pound&#8217;s winning of the Bollingen prize, I read that two of the judges had nominated William Carlos Williams instead. Although I haven&#8217;t read Williams for awhile, I remembered some poems fondly, poems I&#8217;d previously referred to in this blog. Pursuing this line of thought, I discovered the following comments at the<a href="http://www.poets.org/poets/poets.cfm?prmID=120
"> America Academy of Poets<br />
						</a></p>
					<p class="quote">Following Pound, he was one of the principal poets of the Imagist movement, though as time went on, he began to increasingly disagree with the values put forth in the work of Pound and especially Eliot, who he felt were too attached to European culture and traditions. Continuing to experiment with new techniques of meter and lineation, Williams sought to invent an entirely fresh&#8212;and singularly American&#8212;poetic, whose subject matter was centered on the everyday circumstances of life and the lives of common people.</p>
					<p>For me, the critical difference between Pound and Williams is that Williams&#8217; poetry is &#8220;centered on the everyday circumstances of life and the lives of common people,&#8221;  As I stated in an <a href="http://www.lorenwebster.net/In_a_Dark_Time/archives/000104.html">earlier blog entry</a> on Emerson&#8217;s &#8220;The American Scholar,&#8221; I agreed with Emerson when in describing the ideal scholar he said that:<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">In the right state, he is, Man Thinking. In the degenerate state, when the victim of society, he tends to become a mere thinker, or, still worse, the parrot of other men&#8217;s thinking.</p>
					<p>Emerson thought Whitman was the personification of the &#8220;American Scholar.&#8221;   Apparently, <a href="http://www.well.com/user/elliotts/smse_communion.html">I&#8217;m not alone</a> in believing that Williams, not Pound, really picked up Walt Whitman&#8217;s poetic mantle.  Despite &#8220;Pact,&#8221; Pound merely borrowed from Whitman&#8217;s style while rejecting his vision of America and the American people. For my taste, Pound&#8217;s vision is too wrapped up in books, too literary. Williams, while less obviously adopting Whitman&#8217;s style, seems to share his perception of everyday life and view of the lives of common people.<br />
						<br />
						In doing so, Williams wrote poems that seem as relevant today as the day they were written, for they describe human nature at its most fundamental level, whether that be nature of politicians:<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">IN CHAINS<br />
						<br />
						When blackguards and murderers<br />
						under cover of their offices<br />
						accuse the world of those villainies<br />
						which they themselves invent to<br />
						torture us-we have no choice<br />
						but to bend to their designs,<br />
						buck them or be trampled while<br />
						our thoughts gnaw, snap and bite<br />
						within us helplessly-unless<br />
						we learn from that to avoid<br />
						being as they are, how love<br />
						will rise out of its ashes if<br />
						we water it, tie up the slender<br />
						stem and keep the image of its<br />
						lively flower chiseled upon our minds.<br />
					</p>
					<p>In a world where our government seems bent on destroying other governments because they are part of an &#8220;evil-axis,&#8221; we can either &#8220;bend to their designs,&#8221; conceding to their vision of a capitalistic empire, give up our own life to oppose them, be tortured by our conscience because we&#8217;ve done nothing to depose them, or, as Williams seems to suggest, simply learn not to be like them, to love our fellow man, and, in doing so, to prove once again that the Christian concept of loving thy neighbor, even when he&#8217;s not part of your &#8220;chosen&#8221; group, can overcome seemingly impossible odds. <br />
						<br />
						Even when describing abstract ideas like perfection, Williams managed to somehow remain true to his concept of  &#8220;No ideas but in things:&#8221;<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote"><br />
						PERFECTION</p>
					<p class="quote">0 lovely apple!<br />
						beautifully and completely<br />
						rotten,<br />
						hardly a contour marred-<br />
						<br />
						perhaps a little<br />
						shrivelled at the top but that<br />
						aside perfect<br />
						in every detail! 0 lovely<br />
						<br />
						apple! what a<br />
						deep and suffusing brown<br />
						mantles that<br />
						unspoiled surface! No one<br />
						<br />
						has moved you<br />
						since I placed you on the porch<br />
						rail a month ago<br />
						to ripen.<br />
						<br />
						No one. No one!<br />
					</p>
					<p>While ambiguous enough to lend itself to different interpretations, &#8220;Perfection&#8221; seems to suggest that perfection, particularly when admired from afar, is a meaningless concept.  All things, at least all things of <i>this</i> world, seem to contain the seeds of destruction within themselves.  The apple may have been nearly &#8220;perfect&#8221; when it was placed on the porch rail a month ago to ripen, but when allowed to ripen past its prime it is &#8220;perfectly&#8221; rotten.  Strange how the &#8220;perfect romance,&#8221; particularly when people take it for granted that it is perfect, can turn bad over time. Best of all, although the poem recognizes the impermanence of &quot;pefection,&quot; it does so with a lively sense of humor, adding perspective to the observation.  <br />
						<br />
						One of my favorite William&#8217;s poems is &#8220;The Bare Tree:&#8221;<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">THE BARE TREE<br />
						<br />
						The bare cherry tree<br />
						higher than the roof<br />
						last year produced<br />
						abundant fruit. But how<br />
						speak of fruit confronted<br />
						by that skeleton?<br />
						Though live it may be<br />
						there is no fruit on it.<br />
						Therefore chop it down<br />
						and use the wood<br />
						against this biting cold.<br />
					</p>
					<p>Obviously the poem questions the value of expediency. In the short run, it makes sense to cut down the tree because you&#8217;re bitterly cold, but in the long run you will miss the delicious cherries next spring. Unfortunately, more and more the American people seem to use short-term goals to judge everything. If our stock doesn&#8217;t double in three months it&#8217;s time to dump it.  If it doesn&#8217;t make me happy &#8220;right now&#8221; why put up with it.  By judging things merely by appearances, we often consider them less worthy than they really are.  Finally, on yet another level, the poem suggests the very miracle of life itself, the annual rebirth of our world.  <br />
						<br />
						At his best, William Carlos Williams can almost help us to regain our faith in the human race, make us believe that there is hope for mankind if we but recognize people for who they really are.<br />
					</p>
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		<title>The Beauty of Everyday Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2003 20:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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One of the traits I most admire in William Carlos Williams&#8217; The Collected Later Poems is Williams&#8217; ability to find beauty in common, everyday situations, and to describe that beauty in everyday language. It&#8217;s easy to find beauty at the beach or in the mountains, but it&#8217;s far easier to be overcome by the ugliness [...]]]></description>
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<p>One of the traits I most admire in William Carlos Williams&#8217; <i>The Collected Later Poems</i> is Williams&#8217; ability to find beauty in common, everyday situations, and to describe that beauty in everyday language. It&#8217;s easy to find beauty at the beach or in the mountains, but it&#8217;s far easier to be overcome by the ugliness of everyday life than it is to find beauty in it.  <br />
						<br />
						&#8221;Ballad of Faith&#8221; brings back fond memories for me:<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">Ballad of Faith<br />
						<br />
						No dignity without chromium<br />
						No truth but a glossy finish<br />
						If she purrs she&#8217;s virtuous<br />
						If she hits ninety she&#8217;s pure<br />
						<br />
						ZZZZZZZZZZZ!<br />
						Step on the gas, brother<br />
						(the horn sounds hoarsely)<br />
					</p>
					<p>The poem reminds me of simpler days when I took pride in my bright yellow Mustang&#8217;s long hood and powerful V-8, days when I washed the car once a week rather than once a year, days when I only slowed down when the front end of the car lifted off the ground.  <br />
						<br />
						While I&#8217;ve never eaten the &#8220;small, yellow grass onion,&#8221; I can appreciate the kinds of simple foods, best disguised today as &#8220;comfort food:&#8221;<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">TO BE HUNGRY IS TO BE GREAT<br />
						<br />
						The small, yellow grass-onion,<br />
						spring&#8217;s first green, precursor<br />
						to Manhattan&#8217;s pavements, when<br />
						plucked as it comes, in bunches,<br />
						washed, split and fried in<br />
						a pan, though inclined to be<br />
						a little slimy, if well cooked<br />
						and served hot on rye bread<br />
						is to beer a perfect appetizer-<br />
						and the best part<br />
						of it is they grow everywhere.<br />
					</p>
					<p>While unlikely to satisfy the palate of the connoisseur since they&#8217;re &#8220;inclined to be a little slimy,&#8221; such foods, especially when served with a beer, particular a dark, Nitro Stout, might well rival the taste of a Reuben.  And if you&#8217;re not subject to a foolish addiction to the rare, unknown, and expensive, the  fact that it grows everywhere might well make it even more desirable.<br />
						<br />
						I must admit that even I am often overwhelmed by the ugliness of big cities, so I was pleasantly surprised by Williams&#8217; &#8220;Approach to a City:&#8221;<br />
					</p>
					<p class="quote">APPROACH TO A CITY<br />
						<br />
						Getting through with the world-<br />
						I never tire of the mystery<br />
						of these streets: the three baskets<br />
						of dried flowers in the high<br />
						<br />
						bar-room window, the gulls wheeling<br />
						above the factory, the dirty<br />
						snow-the humility of the snow that<br />
						silvers everything and is<br />
						<br />
						trampled and lined with use-yet<br />
						falls again, the silent birds<br />
						on the still wires of the sky, the blur<br />
						of wings as they take off<br />
						<br />
						together. The flags in the heavy<br />
						air move against a leaden<br />
						ground-the snow<br />
						pencilled with the stubble of old<br />
						<br />
						weeds: I never tire of these sights<br />
						but refresh myself there<br />
						always for there is small holiness<br />
						to be found in braver things.<br />
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					<p>It&#8217;s amazing that even in the ugliest, most run-down places someone attempts to invoke beauty&#8217;s magical charm, whether it&#8217;s &#8220;baskets of dried flowers&#8221; or plastic flowers exuding their own fresh plastic smell as counterpoint to the urinal disinfectant, another small sign of the artist&#8217;s spirit that lives within all of us.  Just when it seems industry has banished all wildlife, flocks of gulls or pigeons will arrive, covering the wasteland in bird shit, proving once again that nature cannot be denied.  No matter how ugly the wasteland, snow covers it beautifully, turning the sharp corners into voluptuous curves.  As Williams points out, &#8220;there is a small holiness/ to be found in braver things.&#8221;<br />
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						Perhaps I just like &#8220;A Rosebush in an Unlikely Garden&#8221; because my blog includes references to Vietnam and pictures of flowers:<br />
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					<p class="quote">A ROSEBUSH IN AN UNLIKELY GARDEN<br />
						<br />
						The flowers are yours<br />
						the full blown<br />
						the half awakened<br />
						yours<br />
						<br />
						who fished heads<br />
						and arms on D day in a net<br />
						from the bloody<br />
						river<br />
						<br />
						The stillness<br />
						of this squalid corner this<br />
						veined achievement is<br />
						yours<br />
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					<p>Somehow this poem symbolizes the transcendence of beauty, of the human soul, over those events in life that threaten to overwhelm and demean us.  What a startling, and beautiful, contrast between the soldier&#8217;s job on D-day and his attempts to grow flowers in his squalid corner of the universe.  </p>]]></content:encoded>
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