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	<title>Comments on: Chuang Tzu Discusses Making All Things Equal</title>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Loren, sometimes you and that stuff you dig up actually make sense.  When you can make sense to an argumentative ratbastard like me, that&#039;s saying something.  

I know what you mean about wanting to turn off the loud voices.  I&#039;d like to hear both sides of a story, but then it turns into a brawl--although it&#039;s done like that to be an entertainment these days, such consternation is NOT entertaining to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Loren, sometimes you and that stuff you dig up actually make sense.  When you can make sense to an argumentative ratbastard like me, that&#8217;s saying something.  </p>
<p>I know what you mean about wanting to turn off the loud voices.  I&#8217;d like to hear both sides of a story, but then it turns into a brawl&#8211;although it&#8217;s done like that to be an entertainment these days, such consternation is NOT entertaining to me.</p>
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		<title>By: loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I occasionally like to throw something in that makes sense so that my readers will have to think for themselves.

I&#039;m probably not going to be around long enough to do all of their thinking for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I occasionally like to throw something in that makes sense so that my readers will have to think for themselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably not going to be around long enough to do all of their thinking for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was younger I would commit myself to an argument with a passion. If my adversary failed to see the palpable wisdom of my position, I would pursue the issue with redoubled vigour. Within moments of the start of the debate, it became a matter of extreme importance to me that s/he holding the opposing view be led into the light. In consequence of the passion, heat, not light, was what got generated. 

Subsequent reflection revealed that I was decidedly less interested in the substance of the debate than making territorial gain, or avoiding the fear of being misunderstood, or feeling a deep insecurity at the notion of abandoning the familiarity of a long-held position.

Now, if caught in an argument that clearly allows for no compromise or common ground, I say to my opposite number, &#039;On the basis of what you&#039;ve heard so far, is anything I&#039;m going to say likely to modify your fundamental viewpoint?&#039; In the event of an honest negative, I willingly concede the field. 

The adjustment provided a kind of liberation. To transfer the reference from freedom from sexual drives to freedom from the imperative to argue, it was like being unchained from a wild animal!

Reading this back, I&#039;m not sure whether it contributes much to anything other than my feeling of smugness..!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was younger I would commit myself to an argument with a passion. If my adversary failed to see the palpable wisdom of my position, I would pursue the issue with redoubled vigour. Within moments of the start of the debate, it became a matter of extreme importance to me that s/he holding the opposing view be led into the light. In consequence of the passion, heat, not light, was what got generated. </p>
<p>Subsequent reflection revealed that I was decidedly less interested in the substance of the debate than making territorial gain, or avoiding the fear of being misunderstood, or feeling a deep insecurity at the notion of abandoning the familiarity of a long-held position.</p>
<p>Now, if caught in an argument that clearly allows for no compromise or common ground, I say to my opposite number, &#8216;On the basis of what you&#8217;ve heard so far, is anything I&#8217;m going to say likely to modify your fundamental viewpoint?&#8217; In the event of an honest negative, I willingly concede the field. </p>
<p>The adjustment provided a kind of liberation. To transfer the reference from freedom from sexual drives to freedom from the imperative to argue, it was like being unchained from a wild animal!</p>
<p>Reading this back, I&#8217;m not sure whether it contributes much to anything other than my feeling of smugness..!</p>
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