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	<title>Comments on: Stevens&#8217; Paltry Nude</title>
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		<title>By: qB</title>
		<link>http://www.lorenwebster.net/In_a_Dark_Time/2003/06/12/stevens-paltry-nude/comment-page-1/#comment-1418</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could &quot;spick&quot; refer to &quot;spick-and-span&quot;? The term is apparently nautical in origin, a shortened form of &quot;spick and span new&quot;, referring to a brand new ship. A spick is a nail or spike and a span I think some form of  chip. Although what that form might be I am not sure - a carpentry term?

I have also read this poem in terms of seasons - the spring giving way to summer. Did Aphrodite emerge at a specific time of year, I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could &#8220;spick&#8221; refer to &#8220;spick-and-span&#8221;? The term is apparently nautical in origin, a shortened form of &#8220;spick and span new&#8221;, referring to a brand new ship. A spick is a nail or spike and a span I think some form of  chip. Although what that form might be I am not sure &#8211; a carpentry term?</p>
<p>I have also read this poem in terms of seasons &#8211; the spring giving way to summer. Did Aphrodite emerge at a specific time of year, I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
		<link>http://www.lorenwebster.net/In_a_Dark_Time/2003/06/12/stevens-paltry-nude/comment-page-1/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going with that interpretation because I like it better than the alternative, qb.

&quot;From WordNet (r) 1.7:
spick
     adj : completely neat and clean; &quot;the apartment was immaculate&quot;;  &quot;in her immaculate white uniform&quot;; &quot;a spick-and-span kitchen&quot;; &quot;their spic red-visored caps&quot; [syn: immaculate, speckless, spick-and-span, spicic-and-span, spic, spotless]

It still seems unlikely to me, though, that Stevens wasn&#039;t aware of the possible negative connotations of the word, especially from someone so sensitive to words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going with that interpretation because I like it better than the alternative, qb.</p>
<p>&#8220;From WordNet (r) 1.7:<br />
spick<br />
     adj : completely neat and clean; &#8220;the apartment was immaculate&#8221;;  &#8220;in her immaculate white uniform&#8221;; &#8220;a spick-and-span kitchen&#8221;; &#8220;their spic red-visored caps&#8221; [syn: immaculate, speckless, spick-and-span, spicic-and-span, spic, spotless]</p>
<p>It still seems unlikely to me, though, that Stevens wasn&#8217;t aware of the possible negative connotations of the word, especially from someone so sensitive to words.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You awoke my curiousity so I looked around a bit at Wallace. He died in his 50&#039;s, and was an insurance company exec -- there&#039;s chance he had never heard &#039;spick&#039; used in a derogatory manner. But seamanly metaphors abound in Connecticut.

Still, there&#039;s another poem, which I like much and found at the Academy of American Poets -- Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird -- that has strongly racial overtones:

I was of three minds,
Like a tree
In which there are three blackbirds.

The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds
It was a small part of the pantomime.

Doesn&#039;t this sound like the black lynchings? 

Following from this, and other poems, could Wallace have subtly been talking about the Mexican people as servant to the upper class? &quot;Scullion of fate&quot;, &quot;Across the spick torrent, ceaselessly upon her irretrievable way&quot;.

It just seemed to me there is subtle issues of race in all of Wallace&#039;s poems, at least those at the Academy. But then, when one looks with a certain frame of mind, perhaps you see things that don&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You awoke my curiousity so I looked around a bit at Wallace. He died in his 50&#8217;s, and was an insurance company exec &#8212; there&#8217;s chance he had never heard &#8217;spick&#8217; used in a derogatory manner. But seamanly metaphors abound in Connecticut.</p>
<p>Still, there&#8217;s another poem, which I like much and found at the Academy of American Poets &#8212; Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird &#8212; that has strongly racial overtones:</p>
<p>I was of three minds,<br />
Like a tree<br />
In which there are three blackbirds.</p>
<p>The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds<br />
It was a small part of the pantomime.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this sound like the black lynchings? </p>
<p>Following from this, and other poems, could Wallace have subtly been talking about the Mexican people as servant to the upper class? &#8220;Scullion of fate&#8221;, &#8220;Across the spick torrent, ceaselessly upon her irretrievable way&#8221;.</p>
<p>It just seemed to me there is subtle issues of race in all of Wallace&#8217;s poems, at least those at the Academy. But then, when one looks with a certain frame of mind, perhaps you see things that don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://www.lorenwebster.net/In_a_Dark_Time/2003/06/12/stevens-paltry-nude/comment-page-1/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, he died in the 1950&#039;s, not died in his 50&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, he died in the 1950&#8217;s, not died in his 50&#8217;s.</p>
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